rocky41_7: (lotr)
Fandom: Lord of the Rings

Pairing: Mithrellas/Nimrodel

Summary: Mithrellas would follow Nimrodel anywhere--even across the Sundering Seas--but fate has other things in store.

Length: 4.8k

 

Excerpt:
Mithrellas meant to tell her to fight. She meant to echo some of Nimrodel’s own stirring words and infectious passions. But Mithrellas had no gift of tongue, and before Nimrodel in particular she faltered, and so she said nothing, and Nimrodel kept her own counsel.
rocky41_7: (Tolkien)

Fandom: Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit/The Silmarillion

Characters: Gandalf, Thranduil, Thranduil's wife (Niwe)

Summary: Gandalf first encounters the Elves of Mirkwood forest.

Rated: G

Excerpt:
It was often the custom of the Woodland King to go wandering among the trees, listening to the whisper of their branches and drawing peace and respite from the embrace of the forest.

rocky41_7: (lotr)


OKAY I know this has taken me a few days and I just have to say: it's the fault of my Sims laptop which I booted up again. I don't know how that game continues to suck me in for hours at a time.

Anyway.

I mean tl;dr incredibly negative, but let's break it down.

First, I think Sauron was contemptuous of Elrond. Elrond is someone who values peace and patience and kindness. If the Second Age timeline on Tolkien Gateway is correct, he establishes Rivendell as a haven for refugees the same year that Sauron tortures Celebrimbor to death for the location of the rings of power. Sauron, as we know, is someone who values power and is willing to go through any lengths to achieve it, as well as someone who desires to impose his will on others, believing he knows best. The Nazgul are an excellent example of this--Men he tempted to corruption, bound to himself essentially as slaves, and continues to support in their tortured existence well beyond when they should have been released by death. I think he would look at anyone as gentle as Elrond and think them weak and cowardly.

In Sauron's view, Elrond either has the ability to exercise more power and chooses not to, or Elrond lacks the ability entirely and either way Sauron finds him pathetic.

However, Elrond is also a direct descendant of Luthien Tinuviel, which makes Sauron reluctant to write him off entirely. He has not forgotten that whole clusterfuck. He never had to go toe-to-toe with Dior or Elwing because the Elves were busy destroying themselves, but I think for this reason he is also wary of writing Elrond off entirely. Furthermore, although at more of a distance, Elrond is also directly related to Fingolfin "challenged Melkor to a 1v1 and actually got several hits in wtf" Finwion and Turgon "can't find me or my city can you loser" Fingolfinion. He's unwilling to out of hand assume that Elrond entirely lacks the power to cause problems for him, because his family history suggests the possibility exists.

By the time of LotR, I think Sauron knows or suspects that Elrond has one of the Three Rings of course one of Luthien's brat descendants has one which also contributes to his ability to be difficult.

He would obviously prefer for Elrond to just be dead and out of the way, and I think he looks forward to destroying Rivendell simply to spoil one of the last Elven refuges that exist in Middle-earth, but there's a reason he didn't bring the hammer down there immediately. He's had enough experience with Elrond's family to want to handle him carefully.

rocky41_7: (lotr)


Anon, if you're one of the anons who's been here before, you ask some very interesting questions.

As with some of my past answers I think there are a few viable options.

a) You nailed it and Durin's Bane just did not really have much personal motivation or ambition, so without a leader he was directionless, but once Durin VI and then the Fellowship intruded on "his" territory, he was moved to action.

b) He was asleep, possibly dormant after the War of Wrath, and awakened by the activities of the Dwarves of Khazad-dum, and then later further disturbed by the Fellowship and the Orcs following them.

c) He had been weakened enough by Melkor's defeat/possibly injuries he received during the War of Wrath that he did not want to venture out into the world, but again, was still willing or motivated to defend what he saw as "his" space in Moria, either against Durin VI or the Fellowship.

The Tolkien Gateway appears to support (b), stating:

"For more than five millennia, the Balrog hibernated in his deep hiding place at the roots of the mountains in Khazad-dûm. He remained undisturbed throughout the Second Age and most of the Third, before the mithril-miners of dwarf-King Durin VI awoke him in T.A. 1980." (Tolkien Gateway, entry: Durin's Bane, section: Awakening and the Third Age)

But I pulled out my copy of The Return of the King to check the citation on this statement, and while it does say in the timeline of the Third Age that "A Balrog awoke" and slew Durin VI, it does not mention what Durin's Bane was doing prior to this. Appendix B says:

"1980: The Witch-King comes to Mordor and there gathers the Nazgul. A Balrog appears in Moria, and slays Durin VI." (Page 1087, 2020 hardback ed.)

So I'm not sure if Durin's Bane being "asleep" or "hibernating" during the Second Age is actual canon, or just an assumption/interpretation of the person who wrote that section of his article.

However, I do find it a plausible scenario. To your point, it seems unlikely he was just chilling down there for 5,000 years. Then again, time passes differently for Ainur, so it's not impossible. Most of Melkor and Sauron's creations seem to run rampant without direction, causing mayhem and destruction in their wake as their MO though, so I feel like if Durin's Bane had been awake, he would have made his presence known.

Furthermore, Gandalf himself uses the phrasing "awoke/awakened" when referencing the causes of Khazad-dum's downfall and the actions of the Dwarves, which I feel supports theory (b). The way Khazad-dum's destruction is framed certainly seems to evoke that they had disturbed a slumbering evil which might have otherwise continued to lay dormant.

I also think that Sauron and Saruman are perhaps exceptional in their ambition. They are both portrayed as extremely driven and ambitious and become over time very fixated on the growth of their own power and their own self-promotion. I'm not sure if this necessarily holds true for every Maia who was in service to Melkor or Sauron. For example, neither Gothmog nor Thuringwethil seem to have the same drive. Frankly, Gandalf and Radagast, while not layabouts, do not seem nearly that ambitious either, being more content to just explore Middle-earth and learn what they can, helping people along the way. So these may just be quirks of character, as with people.

As to whether rehabilitation is possible--that's a tougher question. Tolkien seems to imply, in my view, that the turning of a Maia to a Balrog is an irreversible kind of corruption. Why else is it that some of them are Balrogs, but others, like Sauron and Thuringwethil, are not? Sauron is offered a chance at redemption at the end of the War of Wrath, but there's no mention of the Balrogs. That could be because there were no Balrogs around, being either dead, dormant, or in hiding, but it may also be because they were too far gone. It may also be that they were offered it, but it wasn't mentioned because they were not as plot-relevant as Sauron, but I feel Tolkien would have at least dropped a sentence or two on it if they were.

But Tolkien also repeatedly emphasizes that anyone is capable of change, although they may not choose to do it. That's why Melkor and Sauron and Grima and plenty of others who we think perhaps should not have gotten a second chance got one anyway. So I'm not sure I would entirely rule out that Balrogs are capable of reforming and perhaps returning to their original Maiar state, but I would imagine it's very unlikely. However, if a Balrog asked for the chance to repent and change, I’m sure Manwe would allow it.

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rocky41_7: (Tolkien)
Good evening I’m thinking about how Dol Guldur was once Amon Lanc and the capitol of Greenwood the Great and the seat of the court of Oropher, where Thranduil lived and ruled with his father in the kingdom they had built out of the remnants of their people; it was the place where in all likelihood he met his wife and got married and where he and Oropher tried to recover from the traumas of the First Age and built something to be a safe haven for all the Elves who cared to join them and then he had to watch the bones of it be taken over by Sauron, lieutenant of Melkor, who began his slow poisoning of the forest, knowing Mirkwood did not have the forces to retake it or drive the evil out of it

I made this post last night on tumblr and someone's tags criticizing Galadriel and Elrond for not offering more assistance to Mirkwood got me thinking about why we never in canon see the other two Elven settlements reach out to Mirkwood about the corruption of the forest.

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rocky41_7: (lotr)
I got this question on my tumblr this morning



So after work I drummed up my answer )



rocky41_7: (Tolkien)

To me, Legolas--cheerful, optimistic, courageous, gregarious--comes across as someone who had a happy childhood. And that hits hard, especially knowing that by his birth, the Greenwood was already declining into Mirkwood, the shadow of Sauron’s spirit spreading and poisoning the land. Already Greenwood was far diminished from what it was--Thranduil led home less than a third of the forces Oropher had marched to Mordor in the War of the Last Alliance. Thranduil himself, whether you take for canon the movie interpretation of his injuries in the War of Wrath and the death of his beloved wife, is someone who is almost certainly carrying considerable trauma. He is canonically Doriathrim which suggests that at the least he survived two kinslayings against his people. Given that he lived in Beleriand at the time it feels safe to assume he fought in the WoW. We know he accompanied Oropher to Mordor during WLA and watched his father’s early charge lead to his death--and early in the fight, too. Thranduil was crowned king on the battlefield and had to finish the war before leading the Greenwood’s tattered army home.

And yet.

And yet Legolas seems emotionally healthy, well-adjusted, comfortable in himself and his surroundings, willing and able to make quick friends, admires his father, and speaks only ever with the greatest fondness of his home. Legolas is happy. Despite having grown up in the shadow of Mirkwood, despite his father’s trauma, despite the decline of his home realm--he, to my eye, shouts of someone who was raised in a happy home, by people who loved him. In LotR, Gandalf says of Legolas that he has lived “in joy” in the Woodland Realm.

Which means that Thranduil--and likely many others in Mirkwood--put in real effort to make Legolas’ childhood as safe and happy as they possibly could. I think for Thranduil, having experienced the trauma that he did--and possibly being scarred by the deaths of Elured and Elurin, and the kidnapping of Elrond and Elros--it was of heightened importance that he do everything within his power to raise his own child in as much joy and security as he could.

It just makes me emotional, thinking that despite the despair threatening them and the dangers facing the Woodland Realm and the fact that the time of the Elves in Middle-earth was waning, Legolas was raised in such love that it comes through so clearly in his character, even centuries after he was grown.

 

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rocky41_7: (lotr)
Elrond has mad main character energy for a dude that shows up only in the background of other people’s stories. I mean think about it:
  • Orphaned during the “cruelest of the slayings of Elf by Elf” and raised by the guys that destroyed his people and drove his mother to her death*
  • Dad spends his time flying a magical star-ship around and slew Ancalagon the Black, the biggest dragon ever to live
  • Child of unusual blood (part Elf, part Man)
  • Got to choose his destiny (mortal vs. immortal)
  • Child of the union of two of the most noteworthy bloodlines of the Noldor and the Sindar (Finwe’s line through Earendil; Thingol’s line through Elwing)
  • Tragically loses his twin brother to making the opposite choice vis-a-vis destiny
  • Power of foresight
  • Great-grandchild of Luthien Tinuviel and Beren
  • Member of the court of Gil-Galad, last high king of the Noldor in Middle-earth
  • Builds his own retreat for Elves which becomes one of the last Elven settlements in Middle-earth
  • Bearer of a ring of power
  • Marries Celebrian daughter of Galadriel, arguably the only one of Finwe’s grandchildren to survive to the Third Age**
  • Loses Celebrian when she sails West to preserve her life after being captured by Orcs
  • Was present at the War of the Last Alliance; likely saw Gil-Galad get killed

And yet he’s never the star of the show, but playing a supporting role. In some ways he might prefer this, but it is a bit funny I think because in any other story a dude with this backstory would definitely be the main character.

*caveat one: yes Elwing lived but only because of the intervention of Ulmo and Elrond still never saw her again
**caveat two: assuming ofc that Maglor dies at some point before the Third Age which is not certain

Fun tags people left on this post )

rocky41_7: (Tolkien)
Pairing: None

Characters: Thranduil, Elrond, Legolas (technically)

Summary: In the wake of the queen's death, Elrond attempts to ease Thranduil's pain, and soothe his worries for his child.

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"The kingdoms of Elves did not go so quiet as those of Dwarves and Men when night fell, but a stillness did often draw over, with many of them resting, or partaking in quiet, less strenuous activities while the moon hung above them (provided, of course, that they were no parties to be had—and that was especially true in the kingdom of Mirkwood, in which firelit festivities laden with drink and food were their preferred pastime)."
rocky41_7: (Tolkien)
Read this theory earlier this week that Thranduil is blind in one eye as the result of his dragon injuries, and that the reason Legolas has a habit of stating the obvious is because he’s used to compensating for his father's limited sight and I’m a fan of this idea.

For one I love examining the familial elven relationships. And two, in this way, Thranduil never has to admit he's lost sight, which could be seen as weakness for a monarch, and certainly for a warrior. There may be very few elves who know the truth, and among the rest it's a bit of a joke that Legolas has a habit of pointing out things everyone can (supposedly) see for themselves. It's not just compensating for his father's disability; it's shielding the fact that he has one at all.

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